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		<title>by: T Adams</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;And this is called the land of the free??? whatever, there is people from all over the world here without citizenships, visa, green cards or anything else. But it seems that the Hispanic ones is the only ones that get any thing done to them that you hear about. so therefore are we deaf to them? I know quite a few of them that work, pay their rent and everything on time. Unlike some of the people born in the USA. They work for less money than other people would and do a GREAT job at their work. They are not over here opening up convience stores then going back and letting another family member come and run this one, so that when the times comes that the original one can come back and open another business and do it over and over again. So where is the Freedom in the USA?????&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is called the land of the free??? whatever, there is people from all over the world here without citizenships, visa, green cards or anything else. But it seems that the Hispanic ones is the only ones that get any thing done to them that you hear about. so therefore are we deaf to them? I know quite a few of them that work, pay their rent and everything on time. Unlike some of the people born in the USA. They work for less money than other people would and do a GREAT job at their work. They are not over here opening up convience stores then going back and letting another family member come and run this one, so that when the times comes that the original one can come back and open another business and do it over and over again. So where is the Freedom in the USA?????</p>
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		<title>by: KC</title>
		<link>http://capital-flow-analysis.com/capital-flow-watch/deporting-illegal-immigrants-are-we-nuts.html#comment-29157</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;I don't care what it costs.  It has to cheaper than letting them stay working for cash and not paying ANY taxes.  Which is what they do I know they get construction jobs and are paid like the rest of us with a 1099.  You are responsible for paying your own taxes. They can avoid paying for years until they are caught.  In fact most of them give builders false info and never get caught.  Giving them untold amounts of free money to send back to &quot;methico&quot;, even if caught they just go back through open border door and come right back to do it all over again.  Plus, they are draining the welfare and medicad system.  SO BARRING ALL THIS IN MIND, I SAY NO PRICE IS TO HIGH TO RID THE COUNTRY OF THESE LEECHES.  I KNOW I WOULD LIKE MY CONSTRUCTION JOB BACK.  DEPORT THEM NOW, STOP AMY MORE FOREIGNERS FROM ENTERING, SECURE THE DAMN BORDER, NO MORE ANCHOR BABIES, JUST STOP THE INVASION BEFORE WE BECOME A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY AND OUR KIDS ARE STANDING IN BREAD LINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care what it costs.  It has to cheaper than letting them stay working for cash and not paying ANY taxes.  Which is what they do I know they get construction jobs and are paid like the rest of us with a 1099.  You are responsible for paying your own taxes. They can avoid paying for years until they are caught.  In fact most of them give builders false info and never get caught.  Giving them untold amounts of free money to send back to &#8220;methico&#8221;, even if caught they just go back through open border door and come right back to do it all over again.  Plus, they are draining the welfare and medicad system.  SO BARRING ALL THIS IN MIND, I SAY NO PRICE IS TO HIGH TO RID THE COUNTRY OF THESE LEECHES.  I KNOW I WOULD LIKE MY CONSTRUCTION JOB BACK.  DEPORT THEM NOW, STOP AMY MORE FOREIGNERS FROM ENTERING, SECURE THE DAMN BORDER, NO MORE ANCHOR BABIES, JUST STOP THE INVASION BEFORE WE BECOME A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY AND OUR KIDS ARE STANDING IN BREAD LINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>by: Jae</title>
		<link>http://capital-flow-analysis.com/capital-flow-watch/deporting-illegal-immigrants-are-we-nuts.html#comment-27218</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;I think people forget that we are illegal immigrants to this country as well. I mean who are we to complain? We stole this land from the Native Americans.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people forget that we are illegal immigrants to this country as well. I mean who are we to complain? We stole this land from the Native Americans.</p>
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		<title>by: James</title>
		<link>http://capital-flow-analysis.com/capital-flow-watch/deporting-illegal-immigrants-are-we-nuts.html#comment-22514</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;This is not an issue that is so black and white. There is a whole lot of gray on this issue that must be taken into consideration. If anybody is going to take on this issue they must consider LAW and JUSTICE but they must also consider HUMAN DIGNITY and above all PRACTICALITY.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the one hand you have the Law that must be kept. If anyone thinks that illegal immigration continues to grow because congress CAN'T stop it, they are WRONG. Consider this quote: “The reason we do not have secure borders is because of an insatiable demand for cheap labor,” says Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. In other words, congress has the law, but refuses to enforce it because it benefits our economy....or so they think so.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In contrast, there is a valid argument that illegal immigration does nothing more for our economy than lower wages. Are there jobs that American citizens won't do? Yes! Are there jobs that American citizens won't do for a decent wage? No! Thus the influx of illegal immigrants does not necesarilly mean that they will fill jobs that Americans refuse to fill, rather they takes jobs for much less pay that otherwise the employer would have had to pay a higher wage.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does more jobs for less pay equal better economy or does it simply mean greater earnings for employers who provide jobs to illegal immigrants.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, what about practicality and human dignity. It is not practicle for the United States Government to &quot;purge&quot; our country of the illegal immigrants found herein. Such a purging would inherently carry hints of Nazi Germany, not to mention the astrinomical cost to carry it out. In such a case, our government would be tearing families apart (i.e. marraiges of illegal immigrants to perminant residents). Furthermore, the persicution of illegal immigrants does nothing more than force them more and more underground. The result is an increased multiplicity of illegal immigrant activity out of public view (i.e. forgery of immigration and citizenship documents).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think everyone agrees that it is a problem that must be fixed. amnesty supporters cite the forcing of illegals &quot;underground&quot;. Those who oppose amnesty cite that illegal activity is still illegal, no matter how you look at it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They are both correct, however, if something is to be done about it, the solution must be practical. I has to be something that CAN ACTUALLY BE DONE. In my opinion, the only real solution would be to provide a difinitive way for illegal immigrants already living here to obtain naturalization and congress MUST finally let go of their double standard by upholding the laws and securing our borders by whatever means necessary.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not an issue that is so black and white. There is a whole lot of gray on this issue that must be taken into consideration. If anybody is going to take on this issue they must consider LAW and JUSTICE but they must also consider HUMAN DIGNITY and above all PRACTICALITY.</p>
<p>On the one hand you have the Law that must be kept. If anyone thinks that illegal immigration continues to grow because congress CAN&#8217;T stop it, they are WRONG. Consider this quote: “The reason we do not have secure borders is because of an insatiable demand for cheap labor,” says Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. In other words, congress has the law, but refuses to enforce it because it benefits our economy&#8230;.or so they think so.</p>
<p>In contrast, there is a valid argument that illegal immigration does nothing more for our economy than lower wages. Are there jobs that American citizens won&#8217;t do? Yes! Are there jobs that American citizens won&#8217;t do for a decent wage? No! Thus the influx of illegal immigrants does not necesarilly mean that they will fill jobs that Americans refuse to fill, rather they takes jobs for much less pay that otherwise the employer would have had to pay a higher wage.</p>
<p>Does more jobs for less pay equal better economy or does it simply mean greater earnings for employers who provide jobs to illegal immigrants.</p>
<p>Now, what about practicality and human dignity. It is not practicle for the United States Government to &#8220;purge&#8221; our country of the illegal immigrants found herein. Such a purging would inherently carry hints of Nazi Germany, not to mention the astrinomical cost to carry it out. In such a case, our government would be tearing families apart (i.e. marraiges of illegal immigrants to perminant residents). Furthermore, the persicution of illegal immigrants does nothing more than force them more and more underground. The result is an increased multiplicity of illegal immigrant activity out of public view (i.e. forgery of immigration and citizenship documents).</p>
<p>I think everyone agrees that it is a problem that must be fixed. amnesty supporters cite the forcing of illegals &#8220;underground&#8221;. Those who oppose amnesty cite that illegal activity is still illegal, no matter how you look at it.</p>
<p>They are both correct, however, if something is to be done about it, the solution must be practical. I has to be something that CAN ACTUALLY BE DONE. In my opinion, the only real solution would be to provide a difinitive way for illegal immigrants already living here to obtain naturalization and congress MUST finally let go of their double standard by upholding the laws and securing our borders by whatever means necessary.</p>
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		<title>by: mirella</title>
		<link>http://capital-flow-analysis.com/capital-flow-watch/deporting-illegal-immigrants-are-we-nuts.html#comment-21563</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Listen Mrs Michelle...Did you not read anything???are u retarted???
are u missing a damn screw!!!
first of all u seem to be tramatized about sum-thing that has happened to u...wut makes u think all immigrants are mexican???
immigrants are paying taxes and social security the same exact way you are...
im pretty sure that yur great-great-great grandfather was'nt born here...i wonder if he got shot after the third try???&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen Mrs Michelle&#8230;Did you not read anything???are u retarted???<br />
are u missing a damn screw!!!<br />
first of all u seem to be tramatized about sum-thing that has happened to u&#8230;wut makes u think all immigrants are mexican???<br />
immigrants are paying taxes and social security the same exact way you are&#8230;<br />
im pretty sure that yur great-great-great grandfather was&#8217;nt born here&#8230;i wonder if he got shot after the third try???</p>
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		<title>by: judy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;OK LOOK STUPID IDIOTS OBVIOUSLY U KNOW NOTHING!!!! EVERYONE IN THE DAMN USA IS A DESCENDENT OF AN IMMIGRANT!!!! WE ALL HAD TO GET HERE SOMEHOW!!!!ANY WAYS ILLIGAL IMMIGRANT DO ALL THE THE WORK THAT &quot;U SO CALLED NATURAL-BORN CITIZENS&quot; DONT WANT TO DO SO SHUT UR TRAP!!!! I AM NOT AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT I AM BORN HERE BUT OPEN UR FREAKEN EYES!!! DONT BE FOOLED PEOPLE!!!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK LOOK STUPID IDIOTS OBVIOUSLY U KNOW NOTHING!!!! EVERYONE IN THE DAMN USA IS A DESCENDENT OF AN IMMIGRANT!!!! WE ALL HAD TO GET HERE SOMEHOW!!!!ANY WAYS ILLIGAL IMMIGRANT DO ALL THE THE WORK THAT &#8220;U SO CALLED NATURAL-BORN CITIZENS&#8221; DONT WANT TO DO SO SHUT UR TRAP!!!! I AM NOT AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT I AM BORN HERE BUT OPEN UR FREAKEN EYES!!! DONT BE FOOLED PEOPLE!!!</p>
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		<title>by: michelle</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;ILLEGAL immigrants, is what they are, ILLEGAL, THUS BREAKING THE LAW.  IT IS COSTING OUR COUNTRY 60 BILLION A YEAR TO TAKE CARE OF ILLEGALS, yes they need to be deported, and if they keep coming back on the 3rd time be shot... that is exactly how mexico would treat us.  It is illegal in every country to reside their illegally, you must have permission, legal documentation, a job, and pay taxes, wake up.  Deportation, and seizure of monies, cars, anything will pay for these things, in my small town Union City Tn, I believe our town could make money.  Tons of mexicans are leaving Tyson, and readily admit they have no drivers liscence, seize their autos, and monies......american citizens(LEGAL) are subject to these punishments, why arent illegals, even when drunk they don't seize the autos.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ILLEGAL immigrants, is what they are, ILLEGAL, THUS BREAKING THE LAW.  IT IS COSTING OUR COUNTRY 60 BILLION A YEAR TO TAKE CARE OF ILLEGALS, yes they need to be deported, and if they keep coming back on the 3rd time be shot&#8230; that is exactly how mexico would treat us.  It is illegal in every country to reside their illegally, you must have permission, legal documentation, a job, and pay taxes, wake up.  Deportation, and seizure of monies, cars, anything will pay for these things, in my small town Union City Tn, I believe our town could make money.  Tons of mexicans are leaving Tyson, and readily admit they have no drivers liscence, seize their autos, and monies&#8230;&#8230;american citizens(LEGAL) are subject to these punishments, why arent illegals, even when drunk they don&#8217;t seize the autos.</p>
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		<title>by: John Schroy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;An article on the 'Center for Immigration Studies' website, by &lt;strong&gt;Michelle Malkin&lt;/strong&gt;, points out the built-in legal barriers to deporting immigrants: (http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1002.html)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;While the INS receives much-deserved flack for the deportation quagmire, a large portion of the blame lies with the independent agency in charge of the nation's immigration courts, the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR), and its appellate body, the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA), which thrive on making the deportation process as time-consuming and unwieldy as possible. Together, these two independent agencies — separate from the INS, but also housed under the Justice Department — hold the ultimate keys to deportation. While the INS has responsibility for apprehending and bringing immigration charges against aliens, it is the little-known EOIR that has jurisdiction over the nationwide Immigration Courts and their companion appeals system. More than 200 immigration judges preside in 52 courts across the country. They oversee removal proceedings, as well as bond re-determination hearings, in which the judges can reduce the bond imposed by the INS for aliens in custody who seek release on their own recognizance before final deportation.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;


&lt;p&gt;&quot;&lt;em&gt;The BIA's 20-odd members, based in Falls Church, Va., are politically-appointed bureaucrats who have the power to overturn deportation orders nationwide. The panel — comprised largely of alien-friendly advocates from immigration-law circles — receives more than 30,000 appeals every year, and has a backlog of 56,000 cases, of which 34,000 are more than one year old, 10,000 are more than three years old, and some are more than seven years old. There's even a saying among immigration insiders in Washington about the deportation process: &quot;It ain't over 'til the alien wins.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Compare the number of cases that these bureaucrats are capable of handling in a year with the number of illegal immigrants in the US and the millions of voters in the Democratic party who oppose mass deportation and who therefore favor these bureaucratic barriers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Although the 'deport them all' way of thinking is appealing to native born xenophobes, and although there is no question that it is not 'right' that the situation has been allowed to get out of hand, the practicalities of cost, politics, and entrenched legal barriers make the 'mass deportation solution' a matter of political rhetoric rather than a practical social remedy.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An article on the &#8216;Center for Immigration Studies&#8217; website, by <strong>Michelle Malkin</strong>, points out the built-in legal barriers to deporting immigrants: (http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1002.html)</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;While the INS receives much-deserved flack for the deportation quagmire, a large portion of the blame lies with the independent agency in charge of the nation&#8217;s immigration courts, the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR), and its appellate body, the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA), which thrive on making the deportation process as time-consuming and unwieldy as possible. Together, these two independent agencies — separate from the INS, but also housed under the Justice Department — hold the ultimate keys to deportation. While the INS has responsibility for apprehending and bringing immigration charges against aliens, it is the little-known EOIR that has jurisdiction over the nationwide Immigration Courts and their companion appeals system. More than 200 immigration judges preside in 52 courts across the country. They oversee removal proceedings, as well as bond re-determination hearings, in which the judges can reduce the bond imposed by the INS for aliens in custody who seek release on their own recognizance before final deportation.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>&#8220;<em>The BIA&#8217;s 20-odd members, based in Falls Church, Va., are politically-appointed bureaucrats who have the power to overturn deportation orders nationwide. The panel — comprised largely of alien-friendly advocates from immigration-law circles — receives more than 30,000 appeals every year, and has a backlog of 56,000 cases, of which 34,000 are more than one year old, 10,000 are more than three years old, and some are more than seven years old. There&#8217;s even a saying among immigration insiders in Washington about the deportation process: &#8220;It ain&#8217;t over &#8217;til the alien wins.</em>&#8220;</p>
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<p>Compare the number of cases that these bureaucrats are capable of handling in a year with the number of illegal immigrants in the US and the millions of voters in the Democratic party who oppose mass deportation and who therefore favor these bureaucratic barriers.</p>
<p>Although the &#8216;deport them all&#8217; way of thinking is appealing to native born xenophobes, and although there is no question that it is not &#8216;right&#8217; that the situation has been allowed to get out of hand, the practicalities of cost, politics, and entrenched legal barriers make the &#8216;mass deportation solution&#8217; a matter of political rhetoric rather than a practical social remedy.</p>
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		<title>by: Susan M.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 04:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi
No we are not nuts! In any other country it would not have been allowed to get this bad. If they want to be here so badly then they need to become full fledged Americans. If they can not afford the cost of legally becoming American then there should be assistance available to help them. As for the cost of deportation, seize their cash and property tp pay for at least part of the expense of sending them back home.
I am sure some of the illegals are nice people. I know many of them are hard working. To some degree my heart goes out to the hard working nice ones, but the word &quot;illegal&quot; means &quot;against the law&quot;. A crime is a crime is a crime.
There has to be some solution to this problem where both illegals can be made legal citizins, we can avoid expensive deportation and all parties can be happy.
Our country is in big debt, and the sudden increase in taxes collected from 12 million illegal people becoming legal would help. Oh it wouldn't solve the entire problem, nothing will at this point. But it would help.
Bottom Line: Make these people legal residents with voting rights and tax paying ability OR be prepared to face the expense of sending them home.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
No we are not nuts! In any other country it would not have been allowed to get this bad. If they want to be here so badly then they need to become full fledged Americans. If they can not afford the cost of legally becoming American then there should be assistance available to help them. As for the cost of deportation, seize their cash and property tp pay for at least part of the expense of sending them back home.<br />
I am sure some of the illegals are nice people. I know many of them are hard working. To some degree my heart goes out to the hard working nice ones, but the word &#8220;illegal&#8221; means &#8220;against the law&#8221;. A crime is a crime is a crime.<br />
There has to be some solution to this problem where both illegals can be made legal citizins, we can avoid expensive deportation and all parties can be happy.<br />
Our country is in big debt, and the sudden increase in taxes collected from 12 million illegal people becoming legal would help. Oh it wouldn&#8217;t solve the entire problem, nothing will at this point. But it would help.<br />
Bottom Line: Make these people legal residents with voting rights and tax paying ability OR be prepared to face the expense of sending them home.</p>
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